Hello all.

Remember the old days of mmos where there was an increadable amount of detail into the game and the quests weren't that important and the players forged their own destinies? That's kinda what I'm looking for.

(From most important to least)

1)A grand amount of depth. A player should be able to decide that they don't want to be invovled in combat at all and have just as much fun. An example being a player becoming an expert fisherman and sell fish to make there gold, or be able to open up a shop somewhere where people can buy their goods.(I'm not a fan of runescapes, and if you say WOW go back and read the first sentance of this paragraph.)

2)Player controled cities and even nations. Because guilds should have a point and everyone likes to feel like they have the ability to effect the world around them.

3)PvP nearly everywhere. With strong gaurds in the town. There's a long story behind this one. I was a bounty hunter in runescape when it first came out. I had made a huge intellegence network with serveral other players and was having an amasing blast taking bounties for money. Then they decided to limit the areas you can pvp to make it impossible for a bounty hunter to kill their targets or a guild to take territory.

4) Quest should have an in game effect besides giving me gold. (which is why i believe quests should be minnor or releam event things) If i just did something to end a war in the story of mmorpg by completely an already made quest by the computer the war should end.

I also wouldn't mind the ability to own property, lol, thought that's not neccisary. :D

i would tell you 2moons but i hate pkers..so i hope you dont join or at least in a different server.

thx for sharing

er... who to make the cute things??

Gunbound WC has all countrys and in 6 servers :D

Go for Global Gonnzu Online. You can lv. Open up a shop, run in an election etc..

second life, entropia universe, ultima online - have ALOT of features and stuff like what u wer asking for, but wether or not those features are actually fun is a different matter

p.s. i fail to see how 2moons would fulfill his requirements

I did say Shadowbane suits what you are looking for. So far from what i can see in every points you stated, Shadowbane fullfill 4/5 of it.