I would first off like to apologize to anyone who was upset and misled by my previous reviews/statements regarding Atlantica. At the time those statements were made the game was accurate and true to the outstanding and excellent points I made about it. However without any prior warning the game has been patched with a new "stamina system" which has in my opinion, and the feelings of a vast majority of the experienced testers currently offering their precious time and diligent efforts there, entirely changed the face of Atlantica from what it was in the previous beta testing phase.

I had glorified it's combat system, which on it's own is/was excellent, however with the stamina system in place as it is now PvE combat is limited and unenjoyable. I know it may be difficult to understand without having experienced it when Atlantica used to be a great game, but the addition of stamina requires that the player think very carefully before entering any combat fight. The stamina system limits a player to only 100 fights each day, which avid gamers will all know is far too few for any reasonable amount of enjoyment.

I had stated wonders about the auto-walking system, which is now defunct due to the stamina addition. Auto-walk tends to sometimes run you into battles and with the stamina system players can now simply not afford to enter into unexpected fights if they wish to be at all productive during the limited amount of play allowed.

PvP has likewise been damaged by this addition. Prior to stamina, PvP was tactical and challenging. However due entirely to this new addition PvP has become a complete joke and is almost entirely used now just as a work-around to try and get a few more stamina points recharged to extend the limited playability of the game.

I think one of my most glowing statements regarding the former phase of the game was the helpful, friendly and close-knit community. Stamina has entirely destroyed that and it is perhaps the greatest loss in all the bad which has come from the addition of stamina to Atlantica. No longer are people friendly, generous and helpful in game. Stamina has forced the players to scheming, scamming, and bullying newer players to gain even a small bit more play time.

Mentoring now feels forced and almost required to advance to any reasonable degree. Guilding also feels forced now, where before it was a benefit, now it's practically required. Grouping likewise feels forced and is practically a necessity now due to the stamina system.

Formerly I mentioned how inventive and flowing the questing in Atlantica was during CB1, this is no longer true in the current build due to the stamina system. No longer can one move freely through the quests and storyline and enjoy the thrill of advancement and exploration. You get cut off unexpectedly by the sudden loss of xp and drops when stamina runs out and can no longer complete any quests with drop requirements as a result. This also disrupts the story flow, making you wait another full day to continue onward.

I had spoken of the revolutionary and unique mercenary system in Atlantica and about how enjoyable it was to strategically select the right mercs for your goals and advance them to higher and more powerful upgrade levels. However stamina has ruined that aspect of the game as well. No longer can you gather the necessary crystals to upgrade your soldiers and procure the equipment, skills, and stat potions needed to make them exceptional. Stamina limits this drastically and makes the ability to obtain the higher grade of mercenaries not only difficult but in some cases almost inconceivable within a reasonable period of time.

I had spoken about how amazing the crafting system was, about the immense number of choices which were available and that you could feasibly craft nearly anything available in the game. Stamina has crushed it as well. No longer can you easily gather the needed materials for crafting, there are simply not enough stamina points available to do even a tiny fraction of what a player might wish to do in game.

Previously I mentioned how both the casual and hard-core gamer, the pvp enthusiasts and solo play styles were all encouraged and enjoyable in Atlantica. You could fully enjoy the game either alone, in a small group, or as member of a large guild depending upon your individual desires and preferences. This is no longer the case following the addition of stamina. The new system forces all players into a single play style which to most feels both forced and restrictive.

I will state for the record that I have personally tested/experienced all of what I have spoken of here and that this is all valid and actual fact and real first-hand knowledge, not hearsay or conjecture.

I place a great deal of value on my personal honor and reputation and am disappointed and ashamed that my former views regarding this once great game have been so swiftly and unexpectedly overturned. Had I known beforehand of this upcoming addition I most certainly would have given all of you fair warning, and now all I can offer is my sincere regrets toward any and all of you angered and hurt by this turn of events.

It has always been and still is my belief that games should be enjoyable. Whether you play to relax or be the best, you do it for entertainment and a sense of accomplishment. There is no longer any enjoyment or accomplishment to be had in Atlantica as it is currently with the stamina system in effect.

At the time of this posting there has been no official response from the staff or admins of Atlantica, and lacking that I cannot say with any certainty if the game will remain in the horrible and unplayable state in which it now exists. I have requested time and again that they answer our requests to remove the stamina system and have as yet received only silence and disrespect for my efforts. I will endeavour to update you all if something changes in the future, however as it stands right now I would NOT recommend Atlantica Online to anyone and would strongly discourage anyone who may be considering trying it out.

I once considered Atlantica to be a 9.5 on a scale of 10, however it now is a 0 out of 10 in my own experienced and honest opinion.

I regret any loss of trust and respect which has occurred from those who read my previous reviews regarding Atlantica and went to try it based on my recommendations. They were accurate at the time they were posted, however the addition of stamina in the game has entirely invalidated all the good points I once made about this formerly exceptional game. It has now become complete trash and is unworthy of even trying. In my opinion.

Nice I so wanna try this now

yup yup all true in CB1 all players were like wowow this is the best F2P game ever!!! but ... then stamina came & ruined everything ...

Hello,

I totally agree with you : STAMINA SUCKS

I haven't played CB1, I only began playing CB2 so I can only imagine your frustration with the changes it has brought.

The best way to avoid stamina being implemented in the game is to flood the NDoors mailbox with complaints (polite and justified, no flaming), so that they understand the wrong it has caused.

CB is supposed to make a better game thanks to the contribution of players, so it's our responsibility to take action to avoid that stamina system in the final game.

Don't be angry, there's still hope the final version won't include this, but we've got to make our voices heard.

We can still make a change !!!
This post has been modified on Aug 11 , 2008 04:06:43 AM by Wraith75.

you can burn all your stamina in 2-3 hours just farming those crystals to upgrade your characters at lvl 20 and you still won't get enough.

Cb1 was played by 4 k+ peoples acording official site. In same maps was realy crowdy there few weeks ago.
Few days ago in CB2, when i left the game, wasnt more then few hundreds, and more will quit before CB2 end.
Reasons: Old pvp turnement better (free league need improve, also need removing using some scrols in pvp)
Stamina sistem is very anoyng speacialy for peoples who cant play evry day and cant recover, and more then that they give you no hope about your game future there.
CB2 will end with another wipe.

at the end of cb1, they hit somewhere around the 6.5k registered players mark. not close enough to the 10k goal they were hoping for.

the main problem with scrolls seem to be mana burn. they halved the damage already but its still too much since if everyone in 1 team used a scroll, you could already wipe out the opposing team the moment those scrolls go off. you can also use them to kill strong bosses fast.

Your wrong about one thing.

They actually DID say they would cater to the players recommendations. They just want to continue testing stamina thru this phase, and then they will address the players feedback.

This is most likely for 2 reasons - 1) players thoughts on stamina may change once they experience it some more, and 2) it takes time to make a patch, and their most likely not going to bother putting together a patch until the next phase (which is only 4 and a half days from now)

Hang in there, its only a few more days =)


(Edit: To whoever said...

"CB2 will end with another wipe."

That is also not true. They have already stated that there will NOT be a wipe.)
This post has been modified on Aug 13 , 2008 04:32:51 AM by Spyridon.

Well they (ATO) just made a annoucement..They changed the Stamina System..From bad to worst..People are quitting left and right because of it..What was a good start in CB1 has turn into a nightmare in CB2..I would suggest to play a different game than this...and hi Starelf i will see u in PWI..It was fun in cb1 in ATO..To bad Ndoor dont listen to there players...I hope every player strike that game..

I love the loyalty shown by so many of you these days, especially when a BETA game tries a new system (something BETAs are quite well known for doing... how surprising) you all spit in their faces and threaten to quit.

I personally hope they keep stamina, as not only is it great for removing gold farmers, bots, and keeping a well balanced economy but it also promotes the foreign idea of leaving your damn room for a few hours a day to do something else.

Oh noes! I said the bad word! With all this talk of Video Game Addiction rubbish you assholes are actually convincing me that it may just exist. Are you telling me that on top of travelling, exploring, crafting, chatting with friends, organising gear and inventory AND fighting 100 battles you still need more in a single freakin day? **** me, forget what I said about Video Game Addiction, you guys have officially proved me wrong, you are addicted and you seriously need to consider getting help.

As for you Starelf (be more gay, please) having read both of your reviews and seeing the switch in your opinion so dramatically based soely on one game change that isn't even permanent, I can safely say that you truly are a jackass, and it would be best for everyone if you stopped Beta Testing MMOs. This is a TEST, a TEST. Not a game that you can rip to shreds because you payed a hundred bucks for i and feel cheated. This is for you to try, then provide constructive critism. Your response was revolting, and you should be ashamed.

wow why use such strong words ... like asshole & jackass

loyalty .... what what?

why cant we say what we think? is it forbidden? did we wake up in a world controlled by ndoors so we need to watch what we say?

but yea u have a point cozz when u r lvl 1-15 it 2 easy to waste 100 stamina but when u come in some nice like lvl 25++ its way to hard to waste 100 stamina that fast

but Starelf is right about one thing community in Atlantica Online suck atm,& u r the living proof of that

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I've found the communities in most online games suck these days =(

I think its because the first-gen MMO's had alot more of a learning curve then the modern ones. Easier learning curves brings in alot of younger players (no offense if your young... its just that young people often act immature because, well, their not mature yet).

That said, I dont have any problem with people saying what how they feel. But I do think it is wrong to express so much anger without understanding that they have never said these things are permenant.

I also see the point that the review was exaggerated, although the person who said that didnt express that in the best format. In all honesty, if the game has all these things that would be great if you werent held back by the stamina system, then the game can not possibly be "0 out of 10". All the things that you named as great things still are there - crafting, mercs, mentoring, PvP. The biggest difference for me with crafting and leveling mercs is that I will do it on higher level enemies, instead of low level ones. The fights take longer to do so you dont lose stam as fast, and you get more progress from higher level enemies anyway.

The game is in no way "unplayable", as a matter of fact I have played for 5-6 hours a day and havent ran out of stamina once! I havent grouped with anyone either. Nor have I participated in free league - only dueled with a RL friend a couple times. The lowest stam I ever got to was 13, and most the time I had above 40 when I logged.

The whole stamina issue sounds worse than it really is. They already made changes to the stamina system to where you can get +15 more per day, plus have 10-20 roll over from the day before, plus have 1 regen per 10 mins if your above 50. AND they told us that they will be adding further changes - most likely on monday when the next phase starts.

I seriously think the creator of this post should take a little bit of time to relax, and think about all the things you said you loved about the game. You can really still experience all those things, so still play the game how you want to play. Maybe work with the stam as much as you can, and when you run out, just take a break. Have faith that they will keep adding changes until it is satisfactory - they want people to play the game too, they are not adding the changes to stop people from playing - and will keep at it until they do.

It's beta and there will be a wipe before the game goes live anyway, no reason to break your back.

if you want to farm ashen crystals, you will run out of stamina quickly. you still need several days to do this. you need like 700 for level 50.

people complain about grinding so they added the +1 regen every 10 minutes for level 50+ which will only help about the top 1% of the server population. if it isn't for everyone its basically useless.

if you quest you should have no problem with stamina. if you DON'T quest and grind, you will have problems for sure. battles was voted the best part of the game and the stamina system is now slowly destroying it.

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I use such 'strong words' because I am passionate about wat I am trying to say.

Loyalty - Love the game one day, hate it to the point of changing the score from 10 to 0 the next. Idiocy works as a comfortable replacement if you prefer.

Is it forbidden? Are you being controlled? Are you an idiot? Just because we have the option of saying what we like, does that mean we should be abusing it? Try beign a little more respectful about the opportunies' you are given.

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Take it from the one who knows if you played the KOREAN VERSION of ATO you know why..Your Statement is MOOT!To those who are reading this..If people say this game suxs in english u better believe them..In the English Korean Version, dont have these extra stupid features and it is alot of fun to play in the Korean Version..What a big difference!

to abuse my freedom to say what I think ? I see u would like a world where only u can talk .... >.>
the point is that nDoors doing all of this update to make Atlantica dependable on cash shop that will come later,
that happens with every great asian game that come in US that will happen with this awsome game 2
but that still not enough to make me stop play atlantica cozz even with this updates Atlantica Online will be (already is) best free2play MMO

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This game is a joke..Its for a three ring circus..Which has a bunch of clowns in it.The community forum tells it all..What ajoke that is.Once a new mmo comes out the game will be dead just like the rest of them..So who are u kidding?

they already clearly stated that they won't have stamina pills in the cash shop.

so hopefully after CB2 the stamina system will be gone.

i don't think so. with the changes they keep making, they are intending to keep it rather than get rid of it.

if all else fails, korean atlantica!!!