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T4 Sniper PvE|PvP Build and Discussion.

Oct 21, 2012 8:22 pm
lv70 build pending..

Even though Eyedentity can't get their act together and release all of the lv60 skill content right away, I've decided to post up this thread. I'll update it later when I'll inevitably change my build with the release of new skills.
At first I thought about making a general Bow Master thread but that would be way too much for my lazy ass, but I have an Artillery so I have an idea how this class works and I can answer some questions.
(due to requests i've made - Artillery PVE build)
Remember, BM is damn hard to play, so don't feel discouraged when you'll get wrecked to hell and back in PVE and especially in PVP. As it's for me - with experience comes enjoyment, you might love the class when you'll get comfortable enough with skills and whatnot.

I made some adjustments in my PvE build, with the release of Siege Stance EX.
(maxed flower after recent revamp. took SP from archer tree, lowered multishot to lv6 and mp recovery to lv2)
Pure physical PvE build:


Then there's my old pre-Siege Stance EX hybrid build, it's still viable if you aren't going with/don't have Siege Stance EX yet:
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Quick rundown on skills:

Twin Shot
Does decent damage and has quickest CD, so feel free to spam this to no end. I'm using a costume with +1 to this skill, that's why it's lv21 in my build.


Piercing Shot
While in T4 it’s not nearly as bad as it was before, I don’t really feel like using this skill at all - mediocre damage, medium range and slow casting time without any kind of superarmor = skipped.


Willow Spin Kick
If you’re into PVP this one might be useful for close range “get off me” card, but as most archer skills it doesn’t have any armor so you’ll get stuffed a lot. Might’ve been useful for combos.. shame BM doesn’t have any combos. Skipped.


Multi Shot
Personally, I don’t really like this skill even though it was greatly improved since T3, range is still not good and it might’ve been great for PVP but developer decided that 14 sec CD is only good for PVE and left PVP cooldown at astounding 28 seconds.. but there’s nowhere else to put SP so there goes.


Owl's Insight
Pretty much maximum crit for your party for a short duration = needs to be maxed out no questions asked (unless your party consists of people with crit cap but that’s pretty rare). Use it at the right moments and bosses will go down much quicker.


Owl's Rage
Free skill, another crit boost for your party. Don’t forget to re-buff it once every 3 minutes and your party will thank you. Or maybe not, if they’re jerks, but you still have to do it.

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Charged Shot
Sniper’s first EX skill(and I’m not talking about regular version here, cause it sucks plain and simple). While the damage aren’t that good for a “charge” skill(like Ele’s FB, or GM’s gigant duck) imo skill has more utility due to it’s tremendous range and it’s actually wider than it looks.  It also has decent superarmor which is pretty important for PVP, though it’s still BM’s armor which means you _might_ withstand one weak skill from a warrior.. or you might not.


Aerial Chain Shot
Sniper’s second EX(regular version is nice as well, but it doesn’t have that good of an AOE, while EX version is pretty amazing at hitting everywhere). I don’t really like that you need to get basically on top of the boss to get full damage, the damage itself is so good it can’t be neglected. I recommend getting skill accessory for this one, cause it’ll get the skill to lv16, boosting the damage by whooping 18%.


Siege Stance
While I don’t have this skill in my current build, I’m planning on getting it to lv11 when EX will come out. As it’s now - skill should be used exclusively under our new speed boost and the damage is nice, but all that time BM just standing there can be used to dish out damage with all the other skills. And I’m pretty sure we’ll be losing DPS using Siege Stance under time acceleration from Force User..
(edit on dec 13th)
After getting Siege Stance EX I was kinda surprised how actually good it was, though I had to change my play style to more far-away kiting type, rather than up-close dodging, but it's all good in the end. So if you want to play BM but don't want to be up in boss' face all the time - Siege Stance' EX build is for you, and 50% reduced damage actually helps, cause if you got hit and knocked down during SS EX, buff remains(Siege Stance counts as a buff) and you'll get less damage even though you aren't standing anymore.


Arrow Shower
Another stationary skill, which I don’t really like cause while the damage is not bad, it’s pretty much impossible to hit fast moving targets like some lv60 bosses with all the hits. I’ll wait for them to either boost the damage through the roof, or for EX version at lv70.. In the meantime - skipped.
(edit on apr16th)
I'm using it for the time being in place of second ulti, waiting for EX version, trying to get used to it.


Extension Arrow
Great DPS on paper, but kinda weird at using, cause this skill just loves to do only impact damage and not expansion damage, it hates uneven terrain and can just not do any damage.. (as I’ve stated before - eyedentity is amazing at screwing BM over).


Swift Shot
Another close range skill, doesn’t hit grounded targets(that’s very unfortunate actually, especially in PVP) but has invulnerable frames, which is exactly what it should be used for in PVP.


Rapid Shot
I wish we could pick an EX from Artillery tree, cause that would be the one I’d get. But since it’s impossible and we’re left with inferior-mediocre range-slow casting skill, I left it at 1 as prerequisite. Though it has nice superarmor so this skill has it’s uses in PVP.


Guided Arrow
Infamous PVP skill that tracks it’s target. In PVE though, the damage is not that good and(yup, once again) skill sometimes goes into the floor behind your back.. just cause. To avoid this you have to actually aim at your target (orange scope) and then press the button, which is sometimes kinda difficult. But hey, you picked one of the hardest classes to play, so man up.


Bulls Eye
Our amazing debuff, which boosts party’s damage by a whole 25%, or 30% if you can get a skill accessory. Maxed for both PVP and PVE.


Spirit Excellation
While I don’t like self buffs, I like free damage, so yeah, maxed. Can be skipped in PVP build though, cause the damage boost isn’t that big and you might get killed for casting it in a wrong time.


Sylph's Aid
From mostly useless skill to an amazing self buff in one quick patch. Boosts your casting and moving speed, solving one of the biggest problems BM has in PVP - lack of mobility(but of course very useful for PVE as well). I’ve been crying for more movement options since like the first week I started going PVP and now BAM, better than I could’ve hoped for.


Fake Shot
Useful in PVP for flinching your target, has quick CD and couple of invulnerable frames during back dash. Can be useful in PVE as well if you know bosses' attacks and can time it well. Leave it at lv1 in any case.


Triangle Shot
Approximately 1.5 seconds of invincibility with the ability to continue into Aerial Chain Shot, which allows us to stay airborne for like 3 seconds or so. Shame ACS doesn’t have invul, would’ve been pretty great.


Stunning Shot
Amazing in PVP(lv1 is enough), skipped in PVE.


Ankle Shot
One of my favorite skills - quick casting time, good damage, binds target. In PVP other than Stunning Shot this is your only hope to make attacker stop, for you to dish out some good damage. Very useful.


Bow Mastery
9.1% damage boost and 2m range passive, maxed for free damage. (Most people prefer Long Bows to Crossbows, but if you're using one, just max Crossbow Mastery)


Pinpoint Shot
Physical Ultimate. Damage is not that amazing, but great range and quick casting time. Never been that big of a fan of Ultimates cause 125sec CD aren’t exactly screaming DPS and given the choice I’d rather put those 3 SP eslewhere, but yeah, gotta take this.


Revolutionary Ballista
Magic Ultimate. Again, damage aren’t great, but very quick casting time(might actually be fastest Ultimate to cast in a whole game) and nice AOE.

Sniper



Critical Break
Passive damage boost for your critical hits. While it doesn’t seem much on paper, it stacks and in the long run boosts Sniper’s DPS quite significantly.


Ambush Point
In PVE draws aggro in a pretty huge area, then explodes.
After revamp this skill also gives 50% additional damage in PvE(if your FD is lower than 50%, if your FD is 100% flower will only give 25% on top of that), and 25% in PvP.
One might think that the more FD you have, the less useful flower is becoming and while it's true it's still quite amazing to get even 25% on top of your dmg. I'm used to cast Sylph Aid, then flower and Siege Stance and then Ulti/ACS/Arrow Shower, combo like that does amazing damage, but you gotta be familiar with boss' attacks not to get wrecked standing there for 10+ seconds.
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While I pretty much stopped going PVP since the release of EX skills, cause for some reason it LAGs so hard for me I can't even move around, which is really a shame since I was hoping to wreck house with ACS EX and whatnot, but yeah.. I'll be trying to find a way to fix LAG, but in the meantime, here's the build I've been testing and was pretty successful with it(well actually most of the time I've been using my PVE build and was successful, but this one was fun and a lot better than pure PVE one).

PVP build:






Additional notes about PVP - you want as many attacking skills as you can possibly get, that's why I took magic arrow - it flinches and has quick CD, in PVP it's not about the damage, it's about control and making your opponent waste their CD's. Though it doesn't really work in Ladder since there's a shortage of MP and spamming skills might leave you with just normal attack, so for Ladder just run away and spam Guided Arrow, as pathetic as this tactic sounds.. it actually works. Or just roll an Artillery and kill everyone with Rapid Shot EX+Guided Shot, since yeah, Artillery is where the PVP is at.


[ The post was edited by perfecti at Aug 28, 2013 5:06 am ]

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Oct 21, 2012 8:28 pm
This for China or Korea? Cause, Owls Insight isnt an AOE on Korea (unless i am mistaken, which if I am sorry)

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    Oct 21, 2012 8:40 pm
    Reply 1#  Twerk

    last time i checked it was a party buff in KR as well, and i checked pretty recently.

    Oct 21, 2012 8:41 pm
    Reply 2#  perfecti

    Hmm, okie then, I just don't remember probably. But yea, nice stats. +10/12 stuff?

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    Oct 21, 2012 8:45 pm
    Reply 3#  Twerk

    yeah, it's a party buff since T4.

    +10 bow and +11 quiver, couldn't get 50L weapons so gotta settle for 60A.

    Oct 21, 2012 8:47 pm
    Reply 4#  perfecti

    Still good damage.

    You gonna try for 60L Set? Or 60S? or yah gonna keep those gears till 70 Cap?

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    Oct 21, 2012 8:50 pm
    Reply 5#  Twerk

    will probably keep it till the next level cap unless something huge happens.
    and i'm like 40k gold in debt atm....... so yeah, haha.

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      Oct 21, 2012 9:05 pm
      Reply 6#  perfecti

      Hahaha.

      Yea, 60A should be enough if you dodge well for the new Dragon Nest.

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      Oct 21, 2012 11:30 pm
      added to guide collection.

      Keep up the good work ^_^

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      Oct 21, 2012 11:32 pm

      Well, from my experience PvPing on a BM;

      - Fake Shot has iFrames, which is good enough to be useful, and the quick casting of it after a skill such as Swift Shot would be a knockdown (although Twin Shot also covers this xD)

      - Willow Kick has garbage SA, worse than BM skills; and it doesn't hit targets on the ground, so not worth even putting on skill bar unless on Acrobat IMO

      -Piercing Shot+ Twin Shot (unless the SA break of Piercing Shot was lowered with T4) knocks people down, and Piercing Shot range Isn't THAT bad...

      - You forgot to mention the high SA break OP power of Tracking Arrows, ahaha

      - In PvP Siege Stance has pretty good SA break and range, from what I've experienced/ seen

      - Warriors can do any stupid kick skill and interrupt Pinpoint shot (Go BM SA go)

      - ACS is NOT iFrames, but rather just moves you out of the way like MBD or Phantom's Rage. I know you know that, but its extremely important in PvP for people to know that Time Stop, ect. can still hit you while casting it (unless ACS EX changed anything?)

      - Did I mention Twin Shot is really good in PvP? Nub Archers in general might not notice, but it has a lot or uses (especially with BM, since they aren't flying all high and crazy like Acro's and have the chance to use it a bit more)

      -The worst part of playing BM as a nub to general Archers is aiming; if you cant hit a target 1v1 with Triangle Shot, spend some time working on target practice. The SA is also something which can be really irritating, since anything (and) everything will cancel your skills.

      I think thats it, if anything I said did anything good, woohoo. I'm not exactly a godly awesome BM user, and its been awhile since I've actively played it, but hopefully I can give some form of contribution. If not, feel free to correct me.Thanks~

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      Oct 22, 2012 3:58 am
      Reply 9#  Freu

      everything you said is right, thanks for pointing out things i forgot to mention(like warriors kicking us out of pinpoint shot, damn that happened to me oh so many times), haha.
      and yeah, spamming twin shot in pvp is always a good idea, since with 4.5sec CD each arrow does approx 1000 damage, and if you aren't missing a lot if would stack to like half of your actual damage done being from twin shot.

      Oct 22, 2012 5:18 am
      Personally I prefer maxing Swift Shot over Scope Arrow in terms of DPS, even on Artillery (I play both as well).

      Kicks are fun to use in PvP against classes with long / few aerial evades though widely useless. Sniper can pull off pretty okay combos with fast casting CS + Spin Kick Plate (hits around 1k per use which isnt bad, considering you can spam it ~4 times without dropping the target). Mostly for the fun of using them though, using them seriously is just ..

      IMO the key to playing BM in PvP is to use SA and iframes effectively, especially against acro. Even with low SA, BM can still tank weaker skills like Kick Shot, Spiral Vortex using Charge Shot / Rapid Shot and tumble to cancel before SA is broken (or just continue casting if you know it will hit before they break you out of it. 50% AS helps).

      No experience with Siege Stance here since I find it cheap honestly .. sure, Hacking / Flash Stance are worse but Siege is pretty cheap since you can do it from really far away. Doesnt deal much damage and delays the match as well, so I dont like using it especially considering my playstyle is pretty in your face rather than the traditional ranged.

      Not sure if this is what you're looking for but just my opinions.

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        Oct 22, 2012 6:21 am
        Reply 11#  Mahokaze

        well i guess it's a matter of preference to use swift shot over extension arrow(scope arrow or whatever), i just hate going melee range.

        since i'm playing(or rather was playing) with noticeable lag, it's pretty much impossible to evade incoming attacks at melee range, that's why i like to mostly kite them from afar.

        and i'm not looking for anything in particular, but maybe i'll find something useful for myself if enough people will contribute, so thanks.

        Oct 22, 2012 7:57 am
        I know this is not related to the topic but..Could you please share your Artillery build? or even better make a guide on it. Thanks.

        Oct 22, 2012 11:55 am
        Reply 12#  perfecti


        Yay you made a guide. asdadf

        I would added in Fake shot description that you may get it if you want to use the bug in typhoon to get behind the wheels =D

        Oct 22, 2012 12:05 pm
        Reply 14#  Kryonos

        yeah, you should hurry up with your artillery guide, see people already attacking me with requests, haha.

        Oct 22, 2012 12:41 pm
        Reply 15#  perfecti


        Only thing that is currently holding me back is "Laziness" Oh man its a terrible disease.

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          Oct 22, 2012 12:46 pm
          Reply 16#  Kryonos

          tell me about it.
          i've been trying to make it for like 2 weeks, then did everything in one sitting, through bleeding eyes - -

          Oct 22, 2012 12:51 pm
          Reply 14#  Kryonos


          Have you seen the video about magical snipers. Its really weird how well they actually do in pve...

          Oct 22, 2012 12:53 pm
          Reply 18#  Kryonos

          errr.. i can't kinda see the point of going full magic with sniper, losing damage on EX skills etc etc, might as well just go Artillery and be twice as good.

           

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