Saurus Sorceress Build

sorry for asking noob question here.

wat is the meaning of Freeze Debuff in the discussion on top??
bcuz i dun see Frost Wind in the calculation on top. is Frost Wind's Freeze Debuff different from others?

some ice skill Freeze target which the opponent cant move, attack, or use skill(except warrior class) until the duration ends. some just delay target by decreasing its movement speed and increasing casting time.

some also decrease the targets ice resistant by a percentage

i see just like what chaose said freeze debuff is very sick. is this the same as before? or because of the update? what are the percentage of the freeze? 

gs(chance:18% @lvl 13 duration:4?)
gw(chance:100% all lvl duration:5.8?)

how about: fshield, ice barrier, ice injection

yes its not impossible that all this freeze debuff stack but will all this freeze debuff stack ALWAYS???

i think the latest changes is that, the frozen status is tougher to be broken (durability of ice increases)

Therefore, you can stack the frozen status from DIFFERENT SKILLS easily.

in the past, i believe, the frozen status can be broken easily with other skills, therefore it is tough to stack up the frozen status for damage amplification.

Hey kentasan, do let me know ur findings and the final best build. also for 32 cap.

im leaving skills now at pre-requisites so i dont have to reset them.

thanks. seem that ice is going v strong now. and it will result in strong pvp too

Hi Saurus, thank you for all the comments.
One thing has been bother me: can you freeze players or small monster twice or the mechanic only applied to big boss?

Sorry for double posting. But can you also elaborate the pros and con of these situations pls:
Lv 12 poison and lv 13 glacial spike
Lv 7 Chilling mist and lv 8 glacial wave ( I know you did talk about this before. Just wonder if there are changes in you mind :P)
Lv 8 GW and lv 10 GW. Is there any huge change except the duration. WIth plate the different in pve is about 0.7 sec, and in pve is 0.5 sec.
Lv 2 and max shield.
I m a pvp/pve elestra, probably more in pvp
Thx so much :D

Reply 178#  kenneth006

-you can follow the lv38 fire ele build, but I really think the lv40 hybrid is better @ low lvl cap.
-for the lv40 hybrid, you can find the possible skill crest in my reply somewhere.

-skills like Glacial spike and Glacial wave cause the'' Freeze debuff'', where you actually see the target Freeze.

-skill like Frost wind and Ice sword cause ''Negative Ice element resist'' (which increases the duration of Freeze debuff); along with inflicting ''varying degrees of delay'' on a target.

non-ulti Ice skills arranged by level of Difficulty in stacking the Freeze debuff:
GW, Ice injection. (100% freeze rate, very reliable.)
GS (18%freeze per hit @lv13)
Ice barrier (100% freeze, but timing can be difficult.)
Freezing shield (low & random chance to freeze)

-Even with the increased duration of the Freeze buff, It is very difficult to stack all these unless you have 3-4 ele in a party.

Reply 186#  168.*.*.200

can you freeze players or small monster twice or the mechanic only applied to big boss?
-Yes, provided that your target is not immune to the Freeze debuff, a target can be frozen multiple times using diff skills.

Reply 187#  168.*.*.200

I'm just gonna explain for PVP for now..I'll add everything to my updated build:)

Lv 12 poison and lv 13 glacial spike
-I prefer lv13 glacial spike because of the freeze chance.
-poison lv12 at higher lvl cap is really a waste of SP because all it does is keep target down...and you only need 2 clouds (lv1 poison) for this purpose.

Lv 7 Chilling mist and lv 8 glacial wave ( I know you did talk about this before. Just wonder if there are changes in you mind :P) Lv 8 GW and lv 10 GW. Is there any huge change except the duration. WIth plate the different in pve is about 0.7 sec, and in pve is 0.5 sec.
-Chilling mist is powerful in pvp.
-Glacial wave maxed(or close to it) w/crest is a must in pvp at higher lvl cap.

Lv 2 and max shield.
-Shield is very good in 1:1, where you expect the match to end w/in 5min.  In group pvp, your mana will reach 0 so fast and may not be as good.

I m a pvp/pve elestra, probably more in pvp
-check out Almighty's PVP fire&ice post....the build is insanely good.

Woa, I dint expect you to response so fast. I m very appreciate this :D
I did take a look at Almighty build and it is all around super good. The only thing i have in mind is that he keeps all his ice skills at requirement ...:(
Ice stab is powerful in pve and as u said chilling mist is really good in both pve and pvp.
Shield are getting updated too so maxing it provide huge protection in pvp.
So i wonder if i should not get fire bird + ignite, put the point into ice skills. even if I do, GW can only stay at 8 and chilling mist still lv 3......
There are another alternate thou, only get fireball 1 in the fire tree and distribute the rest to max important skill. I will mist out inferno and firewall ( mostly for their utility). So in your opinion, is keeping ice skill at their requirement sufficient enough....
Sorry for asking too much. I feel like a stalker because i realize you just answer my other post.

Thx, agian

erm so bro.. u still stick to selleana rite.. nt chging to elestra rite?

sory abt the previous post.. here's the edited 1.. so u chging to elestra?

Reply 0#  kentasan

1. Seleana Build - The stable Solo type
Pros- able to destroy objects far more efficiently than the DPS seleana build.
      -Freezing shield for extra dmg boost.
Cons- Lower overall dps due to low skill levels in the Fire tree.
        -Huge amount of SP is spent on learning the 3skills in the ice tree.
        -Fire ulti is unlikely to benefit from GS 1.5x dmg buff.

Recommended skill crest:
[FB dmg, Flame road dmg, Fire ulti dmg] + Shield/Inferno/GW/Burning hand.

  


-Max all evasion skills and HP passives.  *the remaining 5SP (or more depending on how you change this build) can be spent on any skill of your choice.

Poison (lv1)
-use it to break obstacles/ keep some mobs away.
Shock wave (lv1)
-High SA. for emergency use to save your life.  
Flame (lv2)
-remove from skill bar.
Freezing shield (lv3 minimum)
- a nice skill to have in freezing mobs that can not be frozen with GS /GW. However, freeze chance is  low, and may require toggle on/off  multiple times = waste of time&mana; Also risk of being knocked down during shield activation = defeats the purpose of having the shield@@
-GW+GS+shield+FBex for nice dmg.
Flame (lv5)
-Yes, flame.  Add this to your skill slot and practice adding BURN effect with it :)
-Maybe helpful when soloing,, in pushing mobs away from you.
Fire bird (lv4)
-nice skill. but no SP to max this.
Ignition (lv1)
-Ignition is my fav skill in clearing abyss stage mobs:)  
-High SA break
Flame road lv7  (w/ skill lv+1 earring.)
-get a skill crest.
FireBall EX  (lv12)
-Your main skill.   Must have a skill crest for it.
Flame spark (lv1)
-High dmg, fast cd, fast casting, but can be a little difficult to use.
-Long range, double explosion (direct hit+ explosion; so 2 hits), high knock back effect.
Inferno (lv12)
-for the extra 2m range. (makes a big diff)
-you can consider using a dmg crest.


ICE skills
Ice stab lv2.  
-Skill used to break obstacles.
-lv2 gives enough delay to evade mushroom explosion in bishop nest.
-Also a Great dps skill provided that you have naturally high crit--- around 17k for lv50. (note, not  much diff in dmg between lv1 and max;  around  x1.6 dmg = not worth the SP)
Glacial Wave (GW) lv10  ; can be lowered to lv8.
-Boost your dmg!! A Must have skill.
-Can be used like FU's Time stop on many mobs.
-When soloing, chain this skill will GS for an added (possibly added) x1.5 boost in your dmg.
Frost Wind (lv1)
-An amazing skill. because the delay that this skill inflicts on the target works incredibly well with chaining combos after GS/GW.
-not very useful now,,,that ice resist do not stack:(
Glacial Spike (lv13 minimum)
-Freeze rate maxed at lv13.  (chance to freeze=18% per hit @skill lv13)
-good to use after ice resist debuff to increase Frozen state duration.
DON'T GET ICE ULTI... it won't crit.

Reply 0#  kentasan

3. Fire Elestra Build
Pros-Well balanced.
Con- Dmg depends mainly on Ice injection and Fire ulti.


-This is a Fire Elestra build, optimized for the current lv50 cap in CN DN, and for players with average Epic gears.
-Important Changes implemented:
   -hell fire passive skill (lv38)
   -Freeze debuff durability increased.
   -Flame Vortex burn duration increased to 10sec.

-Max all evasion skills and MP/HP passives, including MAGIC RETURN. (or your MP will not last when soloing nest.)
Poison (lv1)
-use it to break obstacles/ keep some mobs away.
Shock wave (lv1)
-High SA. for emergency use to save your life.  
Flame/Freezing shield ---these are great skills that you can toggle on/off as needed.
-Dropped freezing shield - a nice skill to have in freezing mobs that can not be frozen with GS /GW. However, freeze chance is  low, and may require toggle on/off  multiple times = waste of time&mana; Also risk of being knocked down during shield activation = defeats the purpose of having the shield@@
-Increased Flame shield to lv5. Currently can’t be maxed due to lack of SP.  When armor prefix changes are implemented, Flame shield should be maxed.

Flame (lv5)
-Yes, flame.  Add this to your skill slot and practice adding BURN effect with it :)
-Maybe helpful when soloing,, in pushing mobs away from you.
Fire Wall (lv2)
-High dmg output even at low skill lvl.
-However, skill growth rate is not the best so keep it at lv2.

Fire bird (lv4) and Ignition (lv1)
-Ignition is my fav skill in clearing abyss stage mobs:)  
-High SA break
Flame road (lv Maxed) (lv8 with skill lv+1 earring.)
-Combination of GW+Ice injection is deadly.
-DMG+20% is a must.
FireBall  (lv1)
-Deals about 70-80% of FBex. Not your dps skill so don’t need a crest.
Flame spark (lv9)
-High dmg, fast cd, fast casting, but can be a little difficult to use.
-Long range, double explosion (direct hit+ explosion; so 2 hits), high knock back effect.
-One of my fav, I have a dmg crest for this.
-Works well with the Accel buff.
Inferno (lv Max)
-for the extra 2m range. (makes a big diff)
-possibly crest
Fire Ulti
-Deals insane dmg when used w/ GW+Ice injection.
-Dmg+20% skill crest is a must.
-To maximize dmg, Never chain Ignition with this skill.
-Also, Never Ignite after your party member uses the Fire Ulti.


ICE skills
Freezing sword (lv11).  
-Don’t expect this skill to crit.
-Not a dmg source on most target w/ low crit resist.
-Good for mobs w/ high crit resist.
-Mainly used to inflict Delay+ Ice resist -20%.
-No skill crest required.

Glacial Wave (GW) lv10
-Boost your dmg!!  A must have skill for all ele now.  
-Skill crest + 20%duration is highly recommended.  
-Use Frost wind/Freezing sword prior to using GW to increase the time of the Frozen debuff.
-Can be used like FU's Time stop on many mobs.
-Ice no longer breaks. Freeze duration increases with increased lvl.
-When soloing, chain this skill with other skills that cause freeze debuff for an added boost in your dmg.
Frost Wind (lv1)
- An amazing skill to max, but stays @lv1 because delay can be inflicted on targets using Sword Ex.
-Mainly used to add Ice resist -20%.
Glacial Spike (lv13)
-Freeze rate maxed at lv13.  (chance to freeze=18% per hit @skill lv13)
-Freeze duration is Fixed at 4sec, and do not increase w/ increase in skill lvl.
-To extend the Freeze duration of GS,  you should inflict Ice resist -20% on the target before using GS.
Blizzard
-Prereq for Elestra skills
-Not very useful,,,maybe 1ele use blizzard while other uses Flame Vortex.
Ice Barrier (lv1)
-100% chance to add Freeze debuff to ALL target within range.
-Freeze duration is short 2.5sec.
-Able to protect you from attacks to a certain extent, but strong attacks will just penetrate through and break the barrier.   
Ice Injection (lv1)
-One of the best skill that an ele can have.
-Chain it with GW prior to using Flame road, Inferno, & Fire ulti.

Reply 0#  kentasan

2. Seleana Full DPS Build
Hell bishop vid
Pros- Save SP by dropping skills in the ice tree
        -Fire bird is a good dmg source.
        -Fire bird keeps target burning for quite a bit.
        -Higher skill lvl in Fire tree= more dmg.
        -Lots of crits
        -pretty good in pvp.
Cons-Unable to destroy objects efficiently.
        -The cd for the fire skills are long.




-Max all evasion skills and MP/HP passives,
-(optional) MAGIC RETURN. you can drop this and spend the points elsewhere, but not sure where you can spend it.
Poison (lv1)
-use it to break obstacles/ keep some mobs away.
Shock wave (lv1)
-High SA. for emergency use to save your life.  
Flame/Freezing shield ---these are great skills
-Dropped freezing shield - a nice skill to have in freezing mobs that can not be frozen with GS /GW. However, freeze chance is  low, and may require toggle on/off  multiple times = waste of time&mana; Also risk of being knocked down during shield activation = defeats the purpose of having the shield@@
-Kept flame shield at lv2-- no SP:(

Flame (lv5)
-Yes, flame.  Add this to your skill slot and practice adding BURN effect with it :)
-Maybe helpful when soloing,, in pushing mobs away from you.
Fire bird (lv11)
-Burn duration is 20sec at skill lv11.
-fast casting and dmg is quite high.
Ignition (lv1)
-Ignition is my fav skill in clearing abyss stage mobs:)  
      GW+FW+Igni
-High SA break
Fire Wall (lv2)
-High dmg output even at low skill lvl.
-However, skill growth rate is not the best so keep it at lv2.
Flame road (max lvl) (lv8 with skill lv+1 earring.)
-Must +20%dmg skill crest.
-Use with GW.
FireBall EX  (lv12)
-Your main skill.   Must have a skill crest for it.
Flame spark (lv9)
-High dmg, fast cd, fast casting, but can be a little difficult to use.
-Long range, double explosion (direct hit+ explosion; so 2 hits), high knock back effect.
-One of my fav, but no crest.
-Works well with the Accel buff.
Inferno (lv7)
-for the extra 2m range. (makes a big diff)
Rolling Lava (lv1)
-powerful skill but rather difficult to use.
Burning hand (lv2)
-Duration crest is a must.
Hell fire passive (lv1)
-cost 0SP :D

ICE SKILLS
Frost Wind (lv5~7) you need min. of lv5 to delay mushroom explosion.
- An amazing skill. Want to max, but no SP:(  The delay that this skill inflicts on the target works incredibly well with chaining combos after GS/GW.
Glacial Wave (GW) lv10
-Boost your dmg!!  A must have skill for all ele now.  
-Use Frost wind/Freezing sword prior to using GW to increase the time of the Frozen debuff.
-Can be used like FU's Time stop on many mobs.
-Ice no longer breaks. Freeze duration increases with increased lvl.
-When soloing, chain this skill with other skills that cause freeze debuff for an added boost in your dmg.
Glacial Spike (lv13)
Freeze rate maxed at lv13.  (chance to freeze=18% per hit @skill lv13)
Should use after ice resist debuff to increase Frozen state duration.
DON'T GET ICE ULTI... it won't crit.

Reply 0#  kentasan

Which is stronger Seleana or Elestra?

T4 Fire elestra is still very effective.
Solo dps wise seleana is a bit better, but I'd go with fire elestra for better support in 4-man party.

-As you all know, EL's dps is greatly affected by Freeze debuff.
-Unfortunately EL's freeze debuff has been nerfed.
-Currently, -1% ice element resist extends freeze duration by ~0.05sec.  (before the update this value was ~0.1sec.)

-I compared my hybrid FD seleana to my hybrid FD elestra w/Exact same stats.
-Skill crest on Seleana: FB, Freezing shield, broom, Fire ulti.
               on Elestra: Freezing sword, Freezing shield, broom, Fire ulti.

Results:
-FD Seleana is faster clearing the New LM abyss in which the Bosses are immune to freeze.
-FD Elestra is faster in clearing Hell Bishop nest. (this will change if i replace the shield plate on my seleana w/burning hand)



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Seleana (stable build)
dps skills: GW+GS　→FB, Fire bird, Flame road, Inferno.   and GS+lava roll

Pros: high burst dmg is very effective due to shortened Freeze duration.
       -Burning hand helps to boost your dmg.
Cons: 2x freeze stack for FB, Fire bird.
       -last hit of fire ulti is unlikely to benefit from 2x dmg...unless by some miracle the 2xINT prefix effect+ FF + GS 18% freeze rate all stack at the right timing,, when you are able to cast your Ulti...  the odds of this happening is very low.


Elestra (fire elestra build)
DPS skills: GW+Injection＋GS　→ Flame road/Fire ulti.

Pros: Able to support party w/2x dmg at will, w/o having to worry about -ice resists.
       -Flame road+Fire ulti is still very strong.
Cons: Not nearly as effective now that Ice barrier is useless.   
        -lose a lot of DPS by not having Burning hand passive.   

-In a party the diff between 1.5~2.0x(seleana GW+GS) and 2.0~3.0x dmg (elestra GW+GS+injection+blizzard) is still big, but not as large as 1.5~2x and 4.0x dmg as it used to be.

so seleana is prolly better now that Elestra lost its 4.0x dmg boost party support ability..

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Before the Nerf...


-I compared a Full DPS build Seleana vs. Fire build balanced Elestra.
-The results:  With 5k matk and 42% fire on both Seleana and Elestra, the over all dmg for the two were approximately equal, provided that the last hit of the Flame Vortex crits on the target.
-If the last hit of the Flame Vortex doesn't crit--- then the overall dmg for a Seleana become noticeably greater than an Elestra, provided that the Seleana has a duration skill crest equipped for the skill ''Burning hand''.

-The Skill crest equipped on my Seleana are:
    -FB, Flame Road, Flame Vortex, and Burning Hand (duration crest).
    -(w/o the burning hand, an elestra w/sufficient knowledge of stacking the Freeze debuff will out DPS Seleana by at least 1.5x dmg overall.)

-The skill crests equipped on my Elestra are:
    -Flame spark, Flame road, Flame Vortex, and GW(duration crest)

Here are my thoughts on the good&bad of each class:
-Go with Seleana if you really want to be good at soloing. (i.e. you don't care about boosting dmg for your party members @@)
-Go with Elestra if you want to solo, but also assist your party members.

-Pros for going w/ Full DPS build Seleana
  -Clears abyss stage much faster than an Elestra.
  -FB Ex is powerful.
  -Burning hand adds huge amount of dmg both in PVE and PVP.
  -maxed Fire bird will keep targets burning.  Also a good source of instant dmg.
  -Rolling lava is another powerful skill.
-Cons for going w/ Full DPS build Seleana
  -Frost wind is the only way to add -20% Ice resist on a target.
  -Fire Shield is lv2...no SP :(
  -GS/GW are the only skills in my build that will Freeze a target.
  -Only able to boost your party's DPS  by  x1.5dmg.

-PRos for going w/ Fire Elestra build:
  -Add -20%Ice resist with Freezing sword/Frost wind.
  -Freezing sword is also a great defensive skill against smaller mobs.
  -Able to Freeze target using GS, GW, Ice barrier, Blizzard, and Ice injection.
  -Able to use GW/Ice injection to boost party's Dps by 2x.
  -Fire shield is lv5.
-Cons for going w/Fire Elestra build:
  -If the Fire Ulti doesn't crit your dps will become lower than Seleana's
  -Not that fast in clearing abyss stage, in which the Bosses are immune to freeze debuff.
  -If you Ice injection is canceled during your cast, your dps will become lower than Seleana.