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Choices of Damage Boosting

Jul 14, 2011 1:14 am
The choice of damage boosting in Dragon Nest is indeed an interesting one.

I summarize the pros and cons of various options below.



Base Attack
Pros:
* affect all the other 3 stats. it is the mother of all damage. Boosting base attack= indirectly boosting critical damage, elemental damage, and final damage as well.
* For mages & cleric, boosting it through INT also boosts other stats, such as mag defence and Max MP
* For archer, boosting it through AGI also boosts critical and critical resist
* For warrior & cleric, boosting it through STR also boosts stun, delay, etc.

Cons:
* potential boost is the least (5.8%) as compared with critical (17%) and elemental attack (8%)



Critical
Pros:
* highest potential boost (17%).
* highest heraldry boost (20%) as compared to base attack (10%) and final damage (fixed value, not %)
* ignore the defence of target.

Cons:
* the critical chance is dependant on target's level. Need more critical stats for higher level targets to get the same critical chance.
* damage can be resisted with crit resist stats.




Elemental Attack
Pros:
* the damage does not dependant on target's level.
* additional damage can be induced if the target is weak against certain elements.

Cons:
* damage can be resisted with elemental resist stats.
* cannot be boosted through heraldry.
* only restricted to skills with elemental attribute or skills that comes with weapon-triggered elemental attribute.




Final Damage
Pros:
* non-linear nature. Highly effective damage boost at high final damage stats.
* damage boost due to final damage cannot be resisted.

Cons:
* non-linear nature. Low damage boost at low final damage stats.
* the critical chance is dependant on target's level. Need more final damage for higher level targets to get the same damage boost.


Conclusion:

Each option has its pros and cons.

It is this variety of choices that makes the game interesting.

Gameplay style, skill build and personal preference dictate the final choice of damage boost options.


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Find out more on the calculation and mechanics of final damage, crit and elemental attack from the guide compilation in my signature.


[ The post was edited by chaose5 at Jul 14, 2011 5:55 am ]

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Jul 14, 2011 3:21 am
How to build an Ultimate Sniper:
●+12~+15 40S SDN set. [Base Attack + Critical (Agi)]
●40S armors with AGI, INT, VIT, Delay Resist & Max HP potential.
●40S weapons with PATK, MATK, AGI, INT, Critical & Dark Attack potential.
●40S rings with PATK, MATK, AGI, INT, Critical & Dark Attack potential.
●40A Tough earring & necklace with AGI, INT, VIT, Max HP potential.
●1x 50A FD crest with Delay Resist as 3rd opt + 7x others 50A crests [PATK, MATK, AGI, INT , VIT, Max HP, Critical] with FD as 3rd opt  {+Rumored 3 heraldry expansion slots [PDef, MDef, Delay Resist]
●1x Latest Cash Shop Fashion Set.
●1x S-ranked Tattoo from Cash Shop.

Estimated stats:
Base P.attack: 10k~13k (11k~14k with max Spirit Excellation)
Base M.Attack: 8k~11k (9k~12k with max Spirit Excellation)
Critical: Over 30k
Final Damage: ~800 (~1000 with rumored 3 extra slots)
Dark Attack: ~60%
HP: ~150k

Just guessing, not exact figures...... Anyone up for challenge building this set?


[ The post was edited by v2seraph at Jul 14, 2011 6:32 am ]

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    Jul 14, 2011 3:31 am
    o.o!!...

    Mon you go build this set loh LOL

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    Jul 14, 2011 3:43 am
    err.. dark attack works with SD weapons?
    and yeah, i was talking with some sniper in +12 SD equips in dnkr, and she had 9.1k p.dmg.. that's just crazy

    Jul 14, 2011 3:50 am
    Ah wait.. I forgot about this LOL. Then we'll have to switch out SD weapons for 50A Bishop with Dark prefix then... But can't get as many potentials =/ ....... Not like I'm able to craft these anyway LOL

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    Jul 14, 2011 3:55 am
    wait, bishop shouldn't work with dark either..
    so SD set still gives best damage, at least until we'll understand how exactly damn final damage works - -

    Jul 14, 2011 4:13 am
    Hmm Bishop with dark prefix doesn't give dark attack? That sucks then.

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      Jul 14, 2011 4:16 am
      SD set give insane damage base attack boost

      Example stats of a Full SD Set Saleana:



      [ Just to show that the stats given by Mon for Sniper above is realistic !  ]


      thisisgame.com recently conducted a comparison between Bishop Set and Bishop set...

      The comparison, shows very clearly that, putting aside the set bonus, SD set is far superior than Bishop set....

      Bishop armor for example only give HP+ MP when you upgrade them...

      SD set armor on the other hand, give very high STR or INT or AGI AND HP+MP (higher than Bishop parts) when you upgrade them ...

      Not to mention, SD parts can have alot more potential opt on them.....

      Since you are an archer, i will link the comparison for archer below:

      SD set:http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=699407&board=&category=11801&subcategory=&page=1&best=&searchmode=&search=&orderby=&token=

      Bishop Set: http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=700245&board=&category=11801&subcategory=&page=1&best=&searchmode=&search=&orderby=&token=

      Try Chrome or google translate ^_^

      An interesting note on SD set:

      The enchantment level will not drop even if you just use normal jelly, up till +11.

      The cost of enchantment is extremely high though, not to mention u need Essence of Life to upgrade SD parts.

      And another difference between SD and Bishop:

      SD set bonus does not give Final damage.

      Edit: for completeness sake, i will list all classes armor SD and bishop comparison here.

      Warrior Bishop Set

      Warrior SD Set

      Sorceress Bishop Set

      Sorceress SD set

      Cleric Bishop Set

      Cleric SD Set


      [ The post was edited by chaose5 at Jul 15, 2011 1:50 am ]

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      Jul 14, 2011 4:28 am
      Quote: Originally Posted by v2seraph at Jul 14, 2011 4:13 amHmm Bishop with dark prefix doesn't give dark attack? That sucks then.     
      lol yea...

      But interestingly, duowan translated the 14 July update note from KR.

      It says that lvl40 phy ulti (machine gun) and Magic Arrow CAN trigger the prefix or elemental opt (still not sure what exactly it means)

      Not sure if it is ANOTHER translation error........So please don't be too happy about it ^_^

      迅矢连射,魔法箭矢技能改为会受到武器属性的效果。

      Ref: http://dn.duowan.com/1107/174576367143_5.html

      If that's true, then............at least those new prefix 50A serves some purpose...

      But, i don't understand why only those 2 skills are affected =.=

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      Jul 14, 2011 4:35 am
      Some said Extension Arrow (集中射击) trigger prefix also. But I don't have any eq with the new prefix so can't really test.

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      Jul 14, 2011 4:37 am
      Ee.... why only archer has skills to trigger those prefix.......

      Anyone tested with other class skills?

      Edit: I seriously think it's just a mistranslation.... Ignore my above statement on prefix effect


      [ The post was edited by chaose5 at Jul 14, 2011 5:30 am ]

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      Jul 14, 2011 5:37 am
      thanks for the 2 sets comparison chaos! :) I really like to read that kind of stuff. That's just too bad there is not much english stuff like that to read about the game yet :(

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        Jul 14, 2011 6:05 am
        Haha thanks for the support..

        Actually there is another article in my mind for a long time which i don't have time to write...

        It is about the concept of "conversion rate" which is very useful when you are deciding your gear combination...

        Just a brief introduction here:

        If lets say, i intend to build a character with very high crit and at the same time good base attack..

        Should i get a pair of crit ring with a pair of destructive weapon

        OR a pair of destruction prefix ring with a pair of Crit weapon?

        Which combination give the optimum crit and base attack?

        { the answer is the first choice. }

        There was an article published long ago regarding this consideration and introduce the "conversion rate" concept for gear selection..

        Another interesting thing in DN:

        Is there an optimum ratio between elemental attack and base attack?

        { the answer is YES... you need to solve some equations to get this but THERE IS ^_^ }

        Just something to ponder on while waiting for me to have free time to write a full article on this ^_^

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        Jul 15, 2011 4:34 am
        Peachy here.. Chaos!

        pls do the article on gear combinations.. I wanna know! hahaha anyways.. im going to go crit build, not FD.. FD(bishop set) too expensive..

        So, now i suppose that 10k crit isnt enuff anymore? when 17k is the cap?

        Jul 15, 2011 5:23 am
        Haha, it was discovered that crit chance is a function of your target's level.

        Only 6000 crit will give you 95% crit chance against a lvl32 target/monster.

        10,000 crit will give you 95% crit chance against a lvl40 target (tat's why at lvl40 cap, it was recommend not to exceed 10,000 crit cuz it's useless)

        However, against a lvl50 target, 10,000 is no longer enough.

        To reach 95% crit chance against a lvl50 target, you will need roughly 17,000.

        Just FYI, the value 17,000 was obtained without much rigorous test.

        It just tell you that against a lvl50 target, 10,000 is no longer enough

        You need more to get back the same crit chance. 17,000 is a good target.

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        Jul 15, 2011 8:40 am
        good news for me! lewe has 11000 and eise has 10000 crit right now and i didnt go higher cus i thought would be a waste....
        ....best way to get high crit fast is with the crit rings with 17% critical on them and buncha crit plates :D that way you can get elemental dmg with other gear

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        Jul 16, 2011 2:12 am
        thanks a lot chaos for the other classes SD and FD sets comparisons! :D

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          Jul 23, 2011 2:51 pm
          Where do we get Essence of Life to upgrade the SD items?

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          Thanks...Also not tradeable?

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