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Research on Saleana's skills

May 13, 2011 6:44 am
The damage written on our skill board, i.e. board dmg, is not equal to the actual dmg we deal on our opponent. In fact, there is a certain coefficient, let say x, such that our actual dmg is

(actual dmg) = (x) * (board dmg) * (1+ % element)*(1 - % resist) * 1.25 (for crit)


Most of our skills has their coefficients as 1. But some of them are actually greater than 1.

  
Note: Burning Hand deals 20% of the board dmg of the skill that activates burning hand. Except for Inferno, Burning Hand deals 20% of 3 x board dmg (from saurus).

      

Below are skills comparison in term of damage/ casting time and damage/ CD. The dmg is calculated by taking 4000 m.att. and 30 % fire, 30 % ice and 30 % dark for instance.








note:
1. The coefficients of lava and ice spear are assumed to be 1.
2. The casting times of blizzard and ice spear are estimated to be 5.566 s and 1.434 s.
3. The damage from ice tree can be boosted by reducing the water resist of the targets. Refer >HERE< for more info on how to stack up the water resist. reduction.
4. The damage increase/SP is calculated by taking the damage difference of max lvl and lvl 1 divide by  SP used to learn from lvl 1 to max lvl.
5. Here is the spreadsheet.
6. Alternate link on EL skill info: http://bbs.duowan.com/thread-20755313-1-1.html

Suggestion:
1. Refer to the first 2 chart, dmg/casting time and dmg/CD to decide on which skill plates to be equipped.  
    Example: Fireball, Flame Road, Ice Stab, Lava, Vortex, and Firebird.

2. Refer to the last 2 chart to decide on which skills to be learnt to its max. lvl.
     Example: Firebird, Ice Stab, and Flame Spark (for those who don't like to spam flame spark can leave it at lvl 1)

3. One can choose to learn shields to their max level and even equip them with plates for survivability. One can also choose to learn glacial wave to their max level and even equip it with plate for disable or buff purpose.


[ The post was edited by dragon431 at Oct 31, 2011 10:52 pm ]

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May 13, 2011 1:10 pm
Nice analysis.... was doing similar things to FU too.

Btw, i suggest record in-game video with Bandicam (very high quality).

The video can be analyzed frame by frame to determine with high accuracy the casting time of skill using software like Virtualdub.

I got both software. Can pass them to you when i get back.
Oo another suggestion. Can you upload the spreadsheet too.

Since your attack and % elem is fixed in the table, other people might find it hard to relate to their current stats.

The spreadsheet would allow them to change the attack and % elem to suit their build

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    May 13, 2011 3:23 pm
    The data is out-dated.... Need to test on the new update first.

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    May 15, 2011 11:28 am


    Poison cloud skill coefficient is 1 if the skill level is below 12 with 2 clouds sharing the total damage.

    At lvl 12 or above, a 3rd cloud appears. The damage per hit doesn't drop. So it must means that the skill coefficient is increase to 1.5.

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    Aug 19, 2011 4:59 pm
    What skill crests would you suggest getting? And would it be the cooldown or damage crest? I'm getting Epic plates and I want to make sure I spending my dimensional fragments wisely.

    Aug 19, 2011 5:03 pm
    Quote: Originally Posted by 99.*.*.138 at Aug 19, 2011 4:59 pm
    What skill crests would you suggest getting? And would it be the cooldown or damage crest? I'm getting Epic plates and I want to make sure I spending my dimensional fragments wisely.     
    well are u from cn dn or na dn?


    it also depends on ur build but its encouraged to get at least one shield plate because of its new ability superarmor

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    Aug 19, 2011 5:18 pm
    I am from NA DN. I'm basically following Kel's Elementalist PVE Build. Only difference is I'm getting Ignition.

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      Aug 20, 2011 10:41 am
      Quote: Originally Posted by 99.*.*.138 at Aug 19, 2011 5:18 pm
      I am from NA DN. I'm basically following Kel's Elementalist PVE Build. Only difference is I'm getting Ignition.     

      yea um thn its going to be a bit complicated since well cn dn has different set affect thn dn na skill tree's

      id recommend asking kel himself thn posting here

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      Sep 24, 2011 10:38 am
      Is there an updated version of this anywhere?

      Oct 14, 2011 9:20 pm
      YOU REMOVED SPERADSHEET D:
      please redo :C

      Oct 16, 2011 5:11 am
      thx for updating the co-efficient =)

      Oct 16, 2011 7:01 am
      Hi, your data has helped me plan my skill builds, thanks for your effort. I see you recently updated the coefficients, nice job! But when the old data was up, I noticed that your cast times were just estimates, and I'm wondering if you have changed them now? If not, I'd like to show you the cast times that I got:

      FlameVortex        7
      FrozenSpikes        1.35
      FlameRoad        5
      PhoenixStrike        1.2
      ChillingMist        2.25
      Inferno        4.35
      Fireball        3.35
      FreezingSword        1.35
      FireWall        1.75
      Ignite        1.75
      FlameSpark        0.75
      Shatter        1.75
      FreezingField        1.75
      IcyGust        1
      GlacialFreeze        1
      Blizzard        7.25

      Above times are in seconds, and I did this by using this youtube channel:
      http://www.youtube.com/user/DragonNestWiki#g/c/DE917D7305A7F748

      Not as accurate as chaose5, but still much better than the estimates, hope this helps!

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        Oct 16, 2011 7:10 am
        he has measured the casting time with the program i sent him (frame by frame).. so it is accurate now....

        btw, the coefficient of flame vortex will need to be updated again (next week), because the burnt duration has been increased to 10sec, which means 4 ticks of burn instead of 3.

        even more damage from this awesome ultimate.

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        Oct 16, 2011 7:18 am
        Reply 12#  chaose5


        Oh I see, looks like I was too late lol. Then can you tell me if we got similar times, or if my times are off? Or maybe PM me your cast times? It would be useful for my research!

        Oct 16, 2011 7:51 am
        Quote: Originally Posted by vso012388 at Oct 16, 2011 7:18 am
        Reply 12#  chaose5


        Oh I see, looks like I was too late lol. Then can you tell me if we got similar times, or if my times are off? Or maybe PM me your cast times? It would be useful for my research!     
        i will ask kel to post it....

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        Oct 16, 2011 9:31 am
        The casting time of the flamespark has been re-measured and the result has been modified.

        The spreadsheet is posted .

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        Oct 22, 2011 2:52 pm
        Is Freezing Field's coefficient really 1? From what I've seen it was greater than that. And, do you have the data for Icy Fraction?

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          Oct 30, 2011 11:26 pm
          may i know the reason why most videos like saurus' cast fireball after stacking gw/gs when in your graph flame vortex or flame road deals more dmg. thx :D

          Oct 31, 2011 12:59 am
          Reply 17#  112.*.*.36


          You notice that Vortex need 5.566 s and flame road need 5.1 s. In the previous version of update, the frozen status cannot last for so long, probably around 3s even at lvl 10 of GW.

          The new patch (20 Oct) boosts the frozen status. Therefore, there are some fire elestras who use Ice Spear + GW to stack up the 100% dmg boost and cast vortex.

          Below is an example of casting the vortex on the double frozen target.


          [ The post was edited by dragon431 at Oct 31, 2011 1:28 am ]

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          Oct 31, 2011 2:45 am
          Reply 16#  Yanoflies


          Freezing field deal 1 hit dmg = board dmg. You can deal more dmg when the target has negative ice resist.

          For Icy fraction, the coefficient is 1 if you neglect the ice resist factor. However, this skill only work on the target with ice state or frozen state. Ice state boost the dmg at least 20% and frozen state boost the dmg by 50%.

          I'm sorry that I did not add icy fraction to the bar chart because I don't have the data on its duration.

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