Trunet's Guardian and Crusader PVE Builds

hey i want to ask something can your dps crusader build do good dmg,compared to other classes,and with average lvl 50 a grade gear how much mag atack can i reach.I realy want to try this build out but people keep saying that cruss cant even get close to the dmg of other classes.I would realy like your oppinion.Thx

Currently I am using build B which is supportive and haven't tried the solo build yet.

For 50A gear, if you have both +7 weapon with suffix of mag attk, your mag attk should be able to reach around 3300.

If you really want to pump your crusader, it is better to get totem set. The totem set can provide extra phy and mag attk along with the final damage. Besides, try to get some light elemental % attack also.

Compared to other classes like priest and mage, the mag attk of crusader is very hard to build. If you want to use the dps build and be on par with other dps classes, it is needed to invest more money into the crusader. The skills of crusader can be affected by mag attk, phy attk, light elemental attk, crit dmg and final dmg. In order to deal good damage, you need to get all those stat as much as possible.

In my opinion, the priority will be:

light elemental attk > mag attk > crit dmg > phy attk > final dmg

The priority is listed by considering the cost effectiveness.

trunet11, sir, would you mind to giv me a lv50 kicking pala physical build? Your help is indeed needed. single kick or double kick? . do i need to balance my phy n magic to maximize my smite DMG? thank you in advance

The guardian build is considered as single kicking build.

For a double kicking build, you can take out 12 sp (which is 4 lvl) from shield block to add the kicking skills.

If you go for double kicking build, the damage per second (dps) is better than single kicking build. However, the risk of double kicking is that you may not dodge (sliding step) the attack in time (e.g. claw attack of manticore).

If you like to deal more damage, I would recommend you to go for double kicking build.
As a guardian (physical paladin), I think it is better to get as much phy attk as possible compared to mag attk since you are going for kicking build.

trunet11 , thx. sir, btw wat plate should i get? 2 kick aspd den? i will go for lv7 provoke cd15 duration 15. so no need for provoke plate . the last 1 should be ARMOR BREAK or ELECTRIC SMITE?. I will take avatar ( lv40 skill) ...
HOLY KICK need 12sp for 1 level?

Get it. is for dive kick another 6 sp n holy another 6 sp. but still wat plate should use? skill plate i meant

hey for a cruss what is better going full mag atack or leaving magic atack potentials and getting light potentials.I calculated that i atm if i change my rings and weapons i will get around 40% light.Which of the 2 choices will have higher dmg.Thx in advance.

If you are going for double kicking build, then you should get the crests that increase kicking speed for both half turn kick and holy kick.
For the skill crest, it is better to get a crest for Provoke as 15s duration with 15s cooldown may lose aggro from the mobs.

For the last skill crest, I will prefer armor break as its cd is lower and spammable.

It is better to get your light elemental attack as high as possible.

A full light elemental build is more powerful than full mag attk build, as crusader will use the light elemental skills almost all the times.

wats wrong with lv7 provoke? lose aggro ? Divine avatar duration no need crest? armor break better than smith?

thx trunet, but if single kick izint dps stronger ? coz half turn kick faster can spin. holy slow.. beside. wat do u mean lose aggro? duration 15 cd 15? Armor break better than electric smite for physic pala? so i go for armor break? and dont i need to take divine avatar crest?

The DPS of double kicking can deal more damage than single kicking.

You can take Divine Avatar and Smite if you want. Then I think the 4 skills crest will be : Divine Avatar, Smite, Half Turn Kick and Holy Kick. Personally, I don't use crest for Divine Avatar as 20s is enough for me. As for Smite and Armor Break, I will prefer Armor Break since it can deal more dps than Smite as a guardian.

Let's have some simple maths.

Assume a guardian doesn't have Conviction Aura (many guardians only add Elemental Aura), his physical attack is 5000 and magical attack is 3000.

Damage of Smite will be: [(2.53X5000)+3700] + [(2.53X3000)+3170] = 12650 + 10760 = 23410
Damage of Armor Break will be: (1.88X5000) + 2100 = 11500

Do note that the cd of Smite is 30s, while cd of Armor Break is 8s.
So, Armor Break can be used 3 times during the 30s.
Then the damage will become: 11500 X 3 = 34500

If the guardian has maxed Conviction Aura,
Damage of Smite will be: 23410 X 1.27 = 29730.7, which is still lower than Armor Break.

So the conclusion is: Damage of Armor Break > Damage of Smite

Secondly, 15s duration with 15s cd means that the guardian need to provoke the mobs right after the skill cooldown. If you prefer not to wear the crest, it is better to max the provoke (16.5s duration) so that you still have 1.5s to provoke the mobs again. Lv8 Provoke without crest is enough to handle most of the nests. However, if you are going to Sea Dragon Nest, provoke without crest can be risky.

In the Sea Dragon Nest, the role of guardian is to keep provoking the Sea Dragon for last stage. Lv 8 Provoke provides you extra 1.5s to recast the provoke. However,if you are interupted by Sea Dragon during this 1.5 second, aggro will be lost.

If you have a crest (either A or B), the duration can become longer and give you more time to observe the action of Sea Dragon. So that you can decide the right timing to provoke it again.

Thanks .. Your info is greattt ~ :D Ur crest is? (crest)If i take Armor , half , holy, the another 1 is? ... BTW, If you are free and free now.. and free now.. Would you mind to create a skill image for double kicking ? thx in advance .. btw ,do i needed to lvl my smite to lv7?

The crests I am using now (all A crests) are Provoke, Armor Break, Half Turn Kick and Holy Kick.

What do you mean by the skill image? o.o

If you mean the build, you can refer to my current Guardian build in 1st thread. You just need to take out 12sp from Shield Block to add the Holy Kick.

As for Smite, if you are going for pure tanker build, lv 1 should be enough. For me, I put lv 7 to deal more damage.

thanks, but is there a big difference if i use single kick instead of double kick? double kicking look slower

Double kicking is faster than single kicking.

Someone had been testing about the difference in double and single kicking.

According to his data, without equipping the crests,

(1) Single Kicking (Half Turn Kick only): 400 counts in 320 seconds.
(2) Double Kicking (Half Turn Kick + Holy Kick): 238 counts for both kicking skills respectively in 320 seconds.

Thus,
Double kicking is faster than single kicking.

Reference:
http://bbs.duowan.com/thread-18536795-1-1.html

Ya, I am using double kicking now.

Armor break dmg? or duration?

If Armor Break is maxed (lv 10), the damage is 188%*Phy Attk + 2100.
The debuff duration (reduce 43% armor) is 10 seconds.

So. choose dmg or debuff?