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Cataclysm Mage PvE Build: Arcane or Fire?

Jun 13, 2011 8:15 pm
I've got two 85 mages, one fire, one arcane. (Yeah yeah, I know about multispec, but I made these guys before that was available.) I used to be that my Fire mage would do the major DPS, but since they've patched a few months back, it's my Arcane mage that's ahead. Maybe it's just my play-style, but that's what I've encountered.

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Jun 16, 2011 8:30 pm
arcane is the best dps spec, by far

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    Jun 19, 2011 9:47 am
    I have been a mage for a few years now with about 70 days /played. Current item level is 356. I find arcane to be easiest way for dps for pve. I can do up to 30k dps with all cds popped and can crit for slightly above 100k with no special buffs just regular cds. I use the AB glyph, missles and Mage Armor for prime glyphs. Mage Armor is required for the additional mana regen since AB uses high mana at 4 stacks.The other glyphs are up to you. I start out by spamming AB to 4 stacks then pop arcane power and a mana gem for more spell damage (I'm talented 2/2) untill my AP expires then use evocate, or around 35% mana. Then for round two, I have about 1 min left till I can use another mana gem and 1.5 mins on evocate. So now I can't just spam AB, I need to be more conservative. So I reset the AB stacks more by throwing in a barrage or missles. And when the time is right, rinse and repeat. I never oom this strategy. I pretty much ignore my procs unless I want to reset my AB stacks. Recount usually shows 85% of my damage comes from AB with the next 3 attacks followed are the missles, fire orb then barrage. Shatbra

    Jun 21, 2011 11:55 pm
    I'd still take fire it has more of a constant dps type

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    Jul 7, 2011 5:50 pm
    I still use arcane and now at 358iL I do between 20k and 25k dps depending on the fight and how much I move around. I personally think that the rotation suggestions are built way too much around maintaining a high mana pool (and getting max dps from mastery via Mana Adept).

    The rotation suggestion is arcane barrage, arcane blast (no more than 2 times), arcane barrage, then arcane missiles when it procs - I literally want to slap the elitist jerk who wrote that, because while Mana Adept is great, the suggestion I have is this...

    arcane blast is your main spell - yes it is mana heavy and kind of negates mana adept, between potions, gems and a 2 minute evocation, maintaining a relatively high mana pool isn't too much of a concern.

    When you cast arcane blast, the damage of the next blast is increased by 10%, and it stacks up to 4 times. What that means is that by doing the math (I get base 8375 damage initially, increased by 10%). Have you ever seen a +50k crit come three or four times in a row?

    Now here is the kicker. Alot of people stop casting arcane blast after they get four stacks - you need to go 5 arcane blasts to get max damage!

    If you stop when you reach four, and the stacks add damage to the NEXT cast, then you never get off an arcane blast at maximum power. I go 5 blasts - and arcane missiles is 99% of the time proc'd and waiting for me.

    During this rotation as well, you will get multiple arcane missile procs from time to time. I've had up to 5 continuous arcane missiles in a row, followed by a barrage and a 6th missile proc.

    Stack intel, intel intel! All of my red sockets have brilliant inferno ruby (+40 Intellect).
    In my blue sockets I use veiled demonseye (+20 intel and +20 hit rating)
    In my yellow sockets I use reckless ember topaz (+20 intel and +20 haste)

    Get hit gear over spirit gear... and if you get spirit gear, reforge that spirit to hit rating.

    Arcane is a very robust build if you know the caveats.

    For example, arcane blast x5 on a single target followed by an arcane explosion is a devastating aoe combo. Rotating from single target to aoe.

    I've been an ac mage for 4 years now and using fire offspec when it became available.

    Where fire has the advantage - I call it "chewing" ability.

    Fire does do less dps than arcane in general, but the overall damage capability of fire is unstoppable and the highest of all three builds.

    When you need high dps on targets that have average health, you want an arcane mage, and for those long fights with bosses that seem to have hp that goes on for miles, you want a fire mage.

    Keep in mind that while the burst dps of arcane is untouchable, you do sacrifice some overall damage. I can't wait until the buff for arcane mages come and it's no longer considered a 'lame duck' build.

    Jul 8, 2011 9:59 pm
    keep playing arcane, it's still the most viable this patch as well

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    Aug 30, 2011 3:53 am
    I'd like to read more about how players build , gear , rotation , and stuff, to get all this DPS i read about. i deffinately see some mages of all types doing insane DPS. let us in on your techniques.

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      Sep 6, 2011 4:02 pm
      visit elitistjerks, learning the theorycrafting behing your character will help you greatly

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      Sep 6, 2011 10:42 pm
      i did 22k dps at lvl 80 to a boss in cata with arcane just using AB critted alot so wasnt really using any mana abit boring to play arcane but the dps is pretty nice, as for fire way too many spells to use especially if you mess your rotation up it all goes to pot but i gotta agree its way more fun to play.

      Nov 13, 2011 9:44 am
      Reply 0#  DKone

      i am new for wow, maybe you can change to another faction.

      Dec 21, 2011 7:13 pm

      i can pull up to 26k in raids on single target as arcane but other arcane/fire mages r pulling 40k?? how do i do that?

      Dec 22, 2011 6:59 pm
      read about mages on elitistjerks.com there are many factors such as having a better/tighter rotation, right gemming glyphs etc.

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        Jan 2, 2012 8:09 pm
        Maybe that's cuz u don't know how to use fire. Before patch 4.3 I was doing about 17 to 20k dps.... After patch its about 29 to 30k. Sometimes over. 4.3 fire mages r simply the best and will be unless arcane gets a buff. Arcane can't move and shoot.... Fire can... Even in a standing still fight fire is top. I've run tests on this many o times. Tests with using the correct gems, enchants and reforges. Fire is at top almost every time. I'll hit 35k soon with a few more gear pieces. Then ill rlly show arcane wtf is up[SMILE=19]

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